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FSU Fans Need a Reality Check

Another day, another day for FSU fans to flock to message boards crying about how the Atlantic Coast Conference has treated them so poorly.  If you read the message boards, this pretty much sums up the Seminoles fans:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crying about this, crying about that.  Having to play a Thursday game.  Having to play Clemson after a tough game against Oklahoma.  Having to share money.  Having to drink 2% milk instead of skim milk at the continental breakfast during a conference meeting in 2008.

The bottom line is this… Florida State has not really mattered in football in a long, long time.  From 2001 to 2011, no less than 3 losses.  81-50 is good, but hardly elite.  Oklahoma was 119-24 and Texas was 114-28 over the same period.  Florida State was 29th, behind Boston College, Louisville, and Hawaii.

Indeed, the last time Florida State was elite was 2000, when they were 11-2, losing to Oklahoma 13-2 in the Orange Bowl.  The year before, of course, the Seminoles were 12-0 and national champions.  And before 1999, Florida State’s record speaks for itself regarding its great run under Bobby Bowden.  At 109-13-1, Florida State had the best record of all teams during the 1990s.

But we are talking about the 1990s.  By comparison, Syracuse–a recent ACC addition–had the 14th most wins during the 1990s, ahead of Virginia Tech, Texas, Clemson, and Oklahoma.  Do Florida State fans really want to cling to the 1990s?

Again, from 2001 to 2011, we are talking a team that really did not put itself into national relevance at all.   That’s not the ACC’s fault.  That’s Florida State’s fault.

And, until Florida State fans can point to some real detriment in being in the ACC, the rest is just crying.  The Confidential says… “Man up and win more games, and then complain about your conference brethren.”

 

 

 

 

ACC: No Need to Panic, But Perhaps a Little Desperation May Be in Order

This Florida State to the Big XII stuff may not have much truth to it.  But where there is smoke, there may be fire.  And Florida State fans are just delusional enough to think that it’s everyone’s fault but their own that are a mediocre football school.  Delusional fans have led to conference switches in Missouri and Texas A&M.  That is reason enough for the ACC to perhaps not panic, but consider that this is THE TIME to do everything possible to keep Florida State happy.  If Florida State leaves, the whole party could come crashing down, with the SEC and Big 10 smelling blood.

Now, the ACC can play the Big East role and just hope that it does not hurt too much.  Or it can get proactive.  And, by proactive, that means ensuring that the conference remains football relevant.  If Florida State wants something–give it to them. So if I am running the ACC, I think the time has come to make a sweetheart offer to Notre Dame.  Specifically–offer Notre Dame and Navy membership as a package.

This converts a must-play game for ND into a conference game.  I know Navy is close to Maryland, but is Navy REALLY a threat to ever be a serious player with their admissions limitations?  And it is not like Navy is an inferior academic institution.  The only issue is basketball–and does that really matter in this big picture?  The goal is to keep the football schools happy for once.  Navy fits the geographical profile.

Then, go back to an 8-game schedule.  This allows FSU to schedule another home game, etc.  Again, the ACC favoring the football teams.  ND and Navy can each schedule 4 OOC games too.  That allows ND to schedule USC, plus three other games.  Navy gets Army, Air Force, and two more.

The loss of a 9-game schedule means 7 less games.  But adding Navy and ND adds in 8 more games (if calculating correctly).  Anyway, when you are talking adding ND, that has to add to the value of the conference slate.  Plus, Navy is no slouch either.  If you are ESPN and you can get Notre Dame into the mix, I am sure you can increase the ACC payout, plus perhaps allow some third-tier rights to stay with the schools.  The damage to NBC alone has to have some value.  We are talking Notre Dame here.

Why would ND do this?  They probably would not.  But if they did, it would be because:

  1. ND would get scheduling flexibility that no other conference could offer
  2. ND gets to have games from Boston to Miami and all points within.  Games against Syracuse can be played in NYC every other time.  Games against Pitt can be played in Philly every few times.  Games against Navy in DC.
  3. ND gets a place for its other sports that is far superior to the Big East.  ND basketball gets games against Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, etc.  ND alums get a few games in Florida and the south.
  4. ND lacrosse joins up with Syracuse, Virginia, Duke, UNC, and Maryland.  Pretty darn good too.

It may be a pipe dream, but the ACC has something that no other conference has–access to the major media markets on the East Coast.  The ACC also has the potential for high-quality football.  Throw in outstanding academics and a fair balance of private/public schools and you have a reasonable fit for Notre Dame.  Willingness to take Navy would be the best way of ensuring the scheduling flexibility to keep ND fans happy.

Or, the ACC can sit on its hands and hope that some combination of Notre Dame, UConn, and Rutgers will someday appeal to Notre Dame.  But the ACC may not be football relevant at that point.  And football irrelevance would convert the ACC into the Big East 2.0–and that will never lure Notre Dame in.

So it is now or never.  If the ACC has any lure for Notre Dame, the time has come to use it.

No Sleepy Offseason—Florida State Officially Has Wandering Eyes

The Confidential was hoping that the period between the Big Dance ending and football starting could be a lazy, sleepy offseason.  A little lacrosse news, a little baseball news, some draft updates, etc.  Instead, it now looks like Florida State will be the latest school to enter the conference realignment fray.  Indeed, the Chairman of the Florida State Board of Trustees has indicated that the Seminoles should look into the Big XII conference.  Jimbo Fisher apparently tweeted something similar.  This legitimizes the rumors surrounding both Florida State and Clemson being dissatisfied with the ACC’s commitment to football.

Of course, the Confidential can sum up these rumors pretty succinctly.  Are you f-ing kidding me?

Florida State has done nothing on the gridiron for a decade now.  They have had four losses or more (usually more) every year since 2004.  This is a team that cannot win the ACC.  How are they going to compete in the SEC and Big XII?

I know, I know… the complaint will be that Florida State cannot compete without the money.  And the other schools make a few million dollars a year more.

Well, that is what they call an excuse.  A lame excuse, actually.  Florida State does not make less than Wake Forest.  If the Seminoles cannot beat the Demon Deacons on a regular basis, good luck with Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, LSU, etc.  It’s not money that makes those schools good.  It is competent recruiting, player development, and coaching on top of having elite status.  In other words, one cannot just say they are “elite,” they have to go out and prove it.  Even Texas, Florida, and Ohio State can have very mediocre seasons with the wrong mix of players and coaches. In any event, FSU has not been dominant as the elite football program in what its fans think is a weak football conference.  See the hypocrisy?

And Clemson?  Please.  At least Florida State was dominant 10 years ago.  Clemson has not beaten Big East schools in bowl games two years in a row.  Somehow, making several million dollars a year more than West Virginia and South Florida did not translate to wins on the field.

The Confidential is not suggesting that these schools cannot make a few million dollars by timing a move right.  But any fan of those schools thinking that their athletic fortunes will somehow change is just not paying attention.  Enjoy your extra money.  But don’t be surprised if the product on the field is not any better.  Money doesn’t make Penn State basketball or Indiana football relevant.

It’s just an excuse.  A lame one.

Syracuse & Pitt to Join ACC in 2013?

Ever since the ACC announced that it was expanding to take Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the conventional wisdom was that the plan would not be completed for at least one year.  Indeed, both schools were obligated to stay for 27 months after providing notice of their intent to depart.  While West Virginia has made news by suing to get out of its obligation (which was recently settled), Syracuse and Pitt remain within the Big East.  However, it looks like there is a real possibility of the expansion being completed for the 2013 season.

Although Big East commissioner John Marinatto has previously said that the 27-month obligation would be adhered to, he changed his tune a bit recently: “”But given the strength and speed of our expansion efforts, I think our board might be open to a discussion about 2013.”  Indeed, the article noted that the conference will have 13 football playing members in the 2013 season.  So it is not like the Big East will need the two schools.

With the recent news regarding the ACC’s television deal, there is some financial benefit to getting the expansion completed in 2013, rather than 2014.  If reports are true, the television deal will add at least $1 million per school and perhaps more.  It will not kick in until the expansion is done.  But there is no real urgency.

So everyone will just have to remain patient for at least one more year.

Good Analysis on Expansion & The ACC

As always, Frank the Tank and his intelligent expansion commentariat debate the issues.

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/ten-feet-off-of-beale-big-12-expansion-rumors-memphis-to-the-big-east-and-b1g-playoff-proposal/#comment-122930

What do you think–is the ACC on solid footing right now?

ACC Scheduling Announced

The Atlantic Coast Conference has issued its scheduling decisions.  In a disappointment to the Confidential, the ACC has eschewed the potential for a logical North-South split in football.  Instead, Syracuse will be placed in the Atlantic and Pittsburgh will be placed in the Coastal.

This means the following divisions will apply to football:

Atlantic:

  • Clemson
  • Florida State
  • Wake Forest
  • NC State
  • Boston College
  • Maryland
  • Syracuse

Coastal:

  • Virginia Tech
  • Georgia Tech
  • Miami
  • Duke
  • North Carolina
  • Virginia
  • Pittsburgh

The league further announced as follows: “When Pitt and Syracuse join the ACC, the league will play a nine-game conference schedule. The format will consist of each team playing all six in its division each year, plus its primary crossover partner each year and two rotating opponents from the opposite division. This six-year cycle allows each team to play each divisional opponent and its primary crossover partner six times (three home and three away) while also playing each rotating crossover opponent two times (one home and one away).”

For basketball, the ACC will stick with one large division and move to an 18-game schedule:

When Pitt and Syracuse join, each school will have one primary partner (Boston College and Syracuse; Clemson and Georgia Tech; Duke and North Carolina; Florida State and Miami; Maryland and Pitt; NC State and Wake Forest; Virginia and Virginia Tech).

The scheduling model will be based on a three-year cycle during which teams will play every league opponent at least once with the primary partners playing home and away annually while the other 12 rotate in groups of four: one year both home and away; one year at home only; and one year away only. Over the course of the three-year cycle primary partners play a total of six times and all other conference opponents play four times.

The basketball plan certainly makes sense.

 

 

 

Clemson Forms Athletic Advisory Committee

As previously noted here, there have been some Internet rumors regarding the Big XII making a play for ACC schools.  The SEC is also a possibility to expand down the road.  As the conference finances spiral out of control, one just does not know what each conference and university is truly thinking.  Now, Clemson has announced the formation of an Athletic Advisory Committee.  Inherent in the formation of such a committee is the potential to analyze conference loyalty.

The key excerpts of the press release are as follows:

“The nature of college athletics is changing in every area,” said Phillips who has been Clemson’s Athletic Director for nearly 10 years. “These changes are effecting how Clemson Athletics does business. It is a blessing to have access to successful business leaders who have and are facing similar issues in their industries.

“I have asked these Clemson loyalists to advise us as we strive to take our program to the next level. The candid and productive conversations we had and will have focus on key issues and strategies that will make Clemson athletics as good as it can be.”

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“Clemson is one of the top athletic programs in the nation,” said Frampton. “We have only one agenda – how to help Clemson Athletics go to the next level.

“Every area of major college sports is being challenged – competition, academic success, student/athlete welfare, compliance, finances, brand marketing and conference structure. Clemson needs to lead change, not react to it.”

In addition, www.leatherhelmetblog.com is contributing to the mix.  They have an analysis of how the ACC could lose four schools–Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, Clemson, and Florida State.  But a blog is a blog is a blog.

The Clemson announcement is the first hint that maybe there is some fire to the blog smoke.

Does anyone have any other sources to suggest that the ACC is not as strongly tied together as some think?

 

 

The Latest on Conference Realignment, Part II: Any Realistic Expansion Scenarios?

In Part I of the discussion, the Confidential noted some of the crazier rumors on the blogosphere regarding expansion.  In Part II, the Confidential takes a look at what the more likely expansion scenarios are.

The Notre Dame Issue: Forcing the Big 10 and ACC to Maintain the Status Quo

First and foremost, the most significant expansion catalyst will be Notre Dame.  It seems very unlikely that the Big 10 and ACC would expand without Notre Dame being part of the mix.  As noted in Part I, Notre Dame is even on the wish list for the Big XII.  In the meantime, Notre Dame has virtually no interest in having its football team part of a conference.  So, while Notre Dame takes its time, the Big 10 and ACC are likely to remain with the status quo.

That being said, both conferences likely have a scenario mapped out for the possibility of Notre Dame being a willing partner.  For the Big 10, adding Rutgers with Notre Dame seems liked a good fit.  In Rutgers, Penn State would get its Eastern partner and the conference would add a state flagship school with academics.  While Rutgers’ ability to deliver the New York City market is overstated, would bring the New Jersey market.  While arguments for UConn could be made, the Confidential’s money would be on Rutgers.

The ACC similarly would take either Rutgers or UConn as part of a Notre Dame package.  Whether Boston College would block UConn is unclear.  For a conference that prides itself on good basketball, adding UConn makes a lot more sense than Rutgers.  The UConn football history is a century shorter than the Rutgers’ football history, but already has one more BCS bowl appearance.  All in all, UConn seems the better fit for the ACC with Notre Dame.

Either way, with Notre Dame’s situation not likely to change any time soon, the Big 10 and ACC will not be expanding soon.

The Pac-12

With 12 teams and few western options, the Pac-12 seems fairly certain to have stopped expanding.  Moreover, the scheduling agreement with the Big 10 will give the Pac-12 additional exposure.  Nevertheless, if Texas and Oklahoma were to approach the Pac-12 with open arms and a willingness to accept the Pac-12’s desired revenue sharing concepts, it is possible that the Pac-12 could reopen discussions on a move to 16 teams.  But barring a surprise–such as Oklahoma and Oklahoma State heading to the SEC–it seems unlikely that Texas will want to give up the Longhorn Network and the Big XII for some time.  Therefore, the Pac-12 seems to be done expanding for the time being.

The Big XII

The Big XII stands pat is less clear. With two additions, the Big XII would return to 12 teams and be able to hold a conference championship game.  With twelve teams, there would be some margin for loss if Texas decides to take its talents independent or some other defection occurs.

The commentariat at Frank the Tank seems to think that Louisville and BYU make the most sense as additions to the Big XII.  The Confidential agrees.  Louisville provides an eastern partner for West Virginia, while BYU makes some geographic sense and adds a market for the Big XII.   But if BYU remains adamant that it will not join a conference, then Cincinnati seems like a better fit than Rutgers to be the 12th team.  Cincinnati and Louisville would give the Big XII two teams in the gap between West Virginia and the other schools.   Of course, the Big XII could choose not to expand without getting Louisville and BYU.  In that situation, the Big XII would just be waiting for BYU to come around to the Big XII idea.  And with Utah, TCU, San Diego State, and Boise State all opting for conference affiliation, BYU could very well conclude soon that independence is too risky.  So, all things considered, Louisville and BYU as additions right before the television contract renewal makes the most sense.

The SEC

The SEC is a big question mark at 14 teams.  There will always be discussions about moving to 16.  Most people’s favorite speculation game is that Virginia Tech and North Carolina State would be perfect fits for the SEC.  Neither school is about to supplant Duke and North Carolina in the power department.  Both fit into a football-focused dynamic.  The SEC would land two new markets.  As noted in Part I, there are blogs already thinking about division and pod breakdowns.  But there are political issues with such a move.  Then there are Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson.  Each of those schools would make football sense.  At the same time, neither school provides the SEC with a new market.  So, while the football quality may increase, it is not clear that the $$$ would follow.  And it’s not like the SEC is lacking in quality football schools.  If anything, it would just increase the gauntlet for an SEC school to go undefeated.  And which two of the three would be invited?  All in all, the ACC schools may have their differences, but they still seem unified as an academic-athletic conference.

If the SEC were to suspend its football-first thinking, then a Kansas-Kansas State addition would allow the SEC to become more legitimate in basketball.  Right now, the SEC is Kentucky, Florida, and not much else.  Missouri will help.  But Kansas would add one of the truly elite programs.  If Kansas-Kansas State tried to start discussions, Oklahoma-Oklahoma State could figure it out and step in to steal the opportunity (see Missouri, Nebraska, and the Big 10).  No other Big XII school seems likely to pursue an invitation.  And no Big East school is worthy of addition.

So, in the end, it seems unlikely that the SEC will make moves in the short-term.  If two ACC or Big XII schools came calling, perhaps the SEC would be interested.  The question is–who would inquire?   So, again, the status quo seems likely for several years.

Conclusion

The ACC, Big 10, Pac-12, and SEC are likely to remain the same for the near future.  If the Big XII expands, Louisville and BYU make the most sense as the two additions.   Such a move makes complete sense for all parties and is the only realistic expansion scenario in the near future.

The Latest on Conference Realignment, Part I: Is the ACC a Target?

The latest expansion news is the Big East’s future addition of Navy.  Among the other expansion news is the blogosphere’s suggestion that the ACC could be raided by either the Big XII or the SEC.  Thus, as part of the latest expansion discussion, the Confidential has to begin with these ACC rumors.

The ACC Being Raided by the Big XII?

A West Virginia blog is throwing out the suggestion that the Big XII might expand big by jumping from 10 to 16 teams.  The premise of this is that the Big XII would want to try to compete with the SEC in football status by taking some of the ACC’s top football teams, such as Florida State, Clemson, and Miami.  Even Georgia Tech, Maryland, and Pitt are thrown in as viable targets.  There is also the obligatory Notre Dame angle.  Losing any of these teams would be a major wound to the ACC’s football side of the equation and perhaps cause a major fissure with basketball.

The good news is that this is, of course, just a rumor.  And the intelligent commentariat at the best expansion-focused blog, Frank the Tank, provide numerous reasons why this particular rumor is illogical and unlikely.   In addition, the Big XII commissioner, Chuck Neinas, does not envision any expansion news in the immediate future.

The ACC Being Raided by the SEC?

Before resting too easily, another blog notes that the SEC stands to make huge financial gains if it take two schools, and those schools logically would come from North Carolina and Virginia.  This blog notes, correctly, that 14 is an awkward number of teams for scheduling purposes.  In addition, expanding the SEC’s market reach into the lucrative North Carolina and Virginia markets would be profitable.  The blog suggests North Carolina State and Virginia Tech as the logical additions.  It even notes the potential divisions if such a move is made.  While the loss of North Carolina State and Virginia Tech would be a terrible blow for ACC football, one would also have to think that the Big 10 would smell blood and try to grab some ACC schools too.  So the fact that the SEC needs only to take two teams to get to 16 does not solve the problem.

The good news here is that this is not even a rumor–just an opportunity that the SEC could look at.  And, once again, the Frank the Tank commentariat is reassuring with respect to the underrated strength and cohesion in the ACC.  Even Frank the Tank, himself, provided an optimistic analysis:

Even Big 12 homer Barry Tramel of the Oklahoman, when asked in a chat yesterday about whether he had heard about the rumors discussed here, dismissed the notion completely and said that anyone that thinks that bad performances in the Orange Bowls means anything doesn’t understand how much university presidents love the ACC’s combination of academics and athletics. He said that he was sure that the Big 12 tried calling FSU and Clemson and that those schools would have hanged up immediately. Remember that this is someone deep within the Big 12 talking.

And then there is the question of whether North Carolina State would even want to leave North Carolina, Duke, and Wake Forest behind.  Set aside the politics for a moment–if North Carolina State cannot dominate ACC football, the Wolfpack would have real problems in the SEC.  While the basketball path to success might be a bit easier, it would still have to outperform Kentucky and Florida on the SEC scene.  Plus, its not like North Carolina and Duke would cease to be recruiting thorns for the Wolfpack.

Conclusion

The rumors and possibilities are certainly disconcerting.  Fortunately, there are good reasons as to why these rumors and possibilities are not on the brink of implementation.  Still, in a world where Pittsburgh is in the ACC, San Diego State is in the Big East, Texas A&M is in the SEC, and Nebraska is in the Big 10… anything is possible.  So do not discard that antacid just yet.  In Part II, the Confidential will discuss the more logical next expansion steps for conferences.

Update: Part II is now posted.

ACC Divisional Breakdowns After Expansion

Much has been written or discussed regarding the anticipated divisional breakdowns in the ACC after Syracuse and Pittsburgh are added.  While the Confidential appreciates that the football-elite schools in the Southern portion of the ACC would want to avoid a geographic division, the Confidential believes that there are numerous reasons why a straight geographical breakdown is prudent.

When the Confidential discusses a geographically based breakdown, this is what the Confidential actually envisions:

  • ACC North: Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Miami
  • ACC South: Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, North Carolina State, North Carolina, Clemson, and Florida State.

Inherent in that process is that, for football, the teams would have “locked-in” rivalries against the team directly above/below in the standings.  This would allow Miami to play Florida State every year and maintain the North Carolina-Virginia rivalry.  With a 9-game conference schedule, that would allow 2 other cross-divisional games.  With 8 games, perhaps there could be some rotation of the cross-over game to allow some variety.

The Confidential anticipates that some will argue that these divisions are not adequately balanced.  How so?  Regardless of the pedigree of Clemson and Florida State, it is Virginia Tech that has carried the ACC flag in BCS games.  Moreover, the ACC Championship game will settle it on the field.

Also, who can say what division in a conference is going to be better?  A few years ago, the SEC East was the powerhouse, with Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia.  Now?  It is the West with LSU, Alabama, and Auburn.  These things are cyclical.

More importantly, let’s say the ACC South is way better than the North.  That just means that the winner of the South will have that much better of a strength of schedule and be appropriately battle-tested for its bowl game.  With a 2-15 record in BCS games, the ACC needs to start caring about BCS bowl-performance.

The other good thing about this division is that it is logical.  Miami has terrible attendance anyway and, as a private school, lacks the graduate bank to fill-up road stadiums.  Plus, with its Big East history, games against its former Big East foes will be logical draws.  Plus, the northern schools have ample Florida retirees to contribute to the attendance at Miami games.  And it is a destination.  If you are living in Boston or New York, a road Miami game is a vacation (perhaps even from the snow).  If you live in Atlanta?  Not quite as much.

But above all else, such as division makes logical sense.  A fan in California or Idaho or Minnesota will be able to easily tell which team belongs in what division.  Quick–are Penn State and Michigan in the same Big 10 division?  You don’t know.  Because it is not geographically based.  While ACC fans may be able to remember who is Atlantic or Coastal, the rest of the country cannot and will not keep track of it.  No need to make it confusing.

Such a division also ensures that the neighboring rivalries are preserved.  Why prevent Maryland, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Boston College from playing each other every year?  Historically, these teams played each other quite a bit.  You do not need to create these rivalries–merely resurrect them.  And what is more likely–a Pittsburgh fan driving to Syracuse or Maryland… or a Pittsburgh fan driving to North Carolina State?

In any event, the Confidential challenges anyone to explain why this system would not be better than the proposal to just plop Syracuse and Pittsburgh into one of the Atlantic or Coastal divisions already in place.  Go for it.

 

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