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ACC Basketball Rankings: February 20, 2012

This is particularly complex with Pitt and Syracuse not yet in the ACC, but it can still be done.  Here is how we view the ACC basketball schools as of February 20, 2012:

1Syracuse (27-1)  With road wins at Louisville and Rutgers (a difficult place to win), Syracuse continues their all-time best season start.  Upstart South Florida visits on Wednesday.

2. Duke (23-4) A very good win for the Blue Devils over North Carolina State.  Boston College, however, did not put up much of a fight at all.

3. North Carolina (23-4)  Challenging week ahead for the Tar Heels, with road trips to North Carolina State and Virginia.

4. Florida State (19-7Florida State got back to its winning ways against North Carolina State.  Duke visits on Thursday.

5. Virginia (20-7)  Virginia embarrassed Maryland on Saturday.  The Terps are used to embarrassment, having fired Ralph Friedgen and replaced him Randy Edsall.

6. North Carolina State (18-9).  Very tough week with losses to Duke and Florida State.  And next up is North Carolina.

7.  Miami (16-9)  Miami did the expected–losing to North Carolina and defeating Wake Forest.

8. Maryland (15-11)  Really outplayed by Virginia on Saturday.  Looking squarely at the NIT, barring a stretch run.

9.  Virginia Tech (15-12)  Two wins on the week for Virginia Tech, sandwiched around a loss by 1 point at Florida State.  A good week overall.

10.  Clemson (13-13)  A great win over Virginia moves Clemson up to 10.

11. Pittsburgh (15-12)  Pitt is back to losing often.

12. Boston College (8-19)  Boston College can keep its edge over Wake Forest by beating the Demon Deacons on Saturday.

13. Wake Forest (12-15) Wake Forest got another conference win–but it was against cellar-dweller Georgia Tech.

14. Georgia Tech (9-17).  Georgia Tech continues to lose.  The less said the better.

Agree?  Disagree?  Let us know!

Weekend Recap: February 18-19

Here is a recap of the ACC basketball games this weekend (February 18 & 19, 2012).

Saturday

In the big game of the day–the battle for 19 wins–#20 Florida State notched a key win over host North Carolina State, 76-62.   Ian Miller’s 17 points led the four Seminoles who scored in double-figures.  Florida State led by 11 at the half and by as many as 20 points in the second half.  The Wolfpack, who dropped to 18-9 with the loss, were led by CJ Leslie’s 21 points.  Florida State is now 19-7.

#8 North Carolina dropped Clemson back to .500 overall (13-13) with a 74-52 win over the Tigers.  North Carolina is now an unreal 56-0 against Clemson in Chapel Hill.  Harrison Barnes led the Tar Heels with 24 points, but Kendall Marshall was a master distributor with 13 assists.  Clemson was led in scoring by Andre Young’s thirteen points.  With the win, North Carolina is now 23-4.

#22 Virginia handily defeated Maryland, 71-44.  The amazing thing about this game is that it was tied at halftime.  The Cavs outscored the Terps 40-13 in the second half.  Maryland, which dropped to 15-11, was led by Terrell Stoglin’s 14 points.  Virginia, as usual, was led by Mike Scott’s 25 points and 7 rebounds.  Virginia also improved to 20-6 on the season.

In other Saturday action, Miami improved to 16-9 with a 74-56 win over Wake Forest.  And Virginia Tech held off Georgia Tech in overtime, 74-73.

Sunday

#2 Syracuse escaped Rutgers with a 74-64 win.  The margin of victory does not reveal how well Rutgers played in defeat–this game was close from start to finish.  CJ Fair came off the bench to lead the Orange with 21 point and 8 rebounds.  With the win, Syracuse improves to an impressive 27-1 on the season.

#5 Duke had no trouble with Boston College, defeating the hosts 75-50.  As usual, Duke dominated the boards–outrebounding the Eagles 40-21.  Seth Curry led the Blue Devils with 18 points, while Austin Rivers added 16.  Boston College was led by Ryan Anderson’s 21 points.  With the win, Duke keeps pace with North Carolina by improving to 23-4.

Critiquing the Bilas Proposal

Duke alum Jay Bilas has a good opinion article on ESPN.com about why the NCAA tournament should eliminate the automatic bids.  It is a good opinion article because it is well written.  Like any good lawyer, Bilas lays out a cogent argument in support of his opinions.  In the end, however, the Confidential believes that Bilas is fixing something that is not broken.  And there are better reasons not to chance the system.

The Bilas proposal 

It is a pretty simply concept–eliminate the automatic bids: “In fact, the more I consider how the automatic bid affects the fairness of the NCAA tournament, the more I am convinced that automatic bids should be eliminated altogether.”  As Bilas accurately points out–the bubble is replete with teams every year that are mid-majors.  But, instead of allowing the 22-8 mid-major to enter the tournament, we allow a team that is 13-18, but won its Mid-Delaware-Valley conference tournament to have keys to the Big Dance.  A team like Murray State could be excluded because a team that lost most of its games got hot for a weekend in March.   And as Bilas also points out, no team from outside the AQ football conferences has won a national title in 20+ years.  Finally, Bilas notes that a 1-64 game, where team #64 was the sixty-fourth best team in the country at least presents the chance for a first-day upset.  That does not exist now.

The Analysis

The Confidential believes that Bilas makes a great point about how the automatic qualifier system harms mid-majors.  It is true that a team that runs away with its conference–but plays in a one-team conference–will be excluded for the inferior team that did win its conference.  It places an onerous burden on a team that was good from November to early March to not have a slip up on one weekend.  So while the Bilas proposal may favor some teams in power conferences, it will also benefit the best teams that would currently be on the bubble.

But here are the problems.  First, for better or worse, the conference tournaments are a reason for every team in every conference to have a chance of mattering.  While these tournaments may be money-making schemes, one cannot discount the value to students and fans.  And the coaches and players also deserve a chance to compete in high pressure situations that they will remember forever.  Even if the end reward might be a play-in with Dayton, rather than #1 Duke.  There is no reason to take away all of that excitement.

Second, Bilas misses a huge point.  While the power conferences have provided all the national champions recently, the lowest seed to ever win the National Championship was a #8 seed, Villanova.  At best, Villanova was the 32nd best team in the country that year.  A fair argument can be made that only the top 32 teams have a realistic chance of winning a national championship.  If Bilas is correct that the only reason to be in the Big Dance is to win it all, then the NCAA should eliminate the automatic bids and scale back to 32. Anything beyond 32 already includes teams that have no chance of winning.  That is what history suggests anyway.

And if the at-larges from 32 through 37 have never won it all, how likely is it that 38 through 64 will?  Will a 5-11 team from the Big East have a real chance to win it all?  Better to give that spot to a 25-5 team that dominates its conference and won its tournament.  That actually gives more reward for the season by rewarding teams that beat more foes.  Any team that finds itself from 38 to 64 has already lost enough games to question whether they can actually win it all anyway.

Bilas notes that Kentucky/Pitt would be an interesting first round game between a #1 and #64.  But Pitt lost to Wagner.  At home.  For this year, Pitt is more name than game.  You cannot lose seven in a row in a non-daunting part of your Big East schedule and think that a deep March run is even possible.

Besides, there are lots of great things about the Big Dance that do not have anything to do with winning it all.  Ask Butler.  Ask Virginia Commonwealth.  How about the upsets by the #15 seeds–teams that would be excluded under Bilas’s scenario?  Without the automatic bids, Richmond never beats Syracuse and Belmont never beats Iowa State.  And whomever Kansas loses to in the first round every few years.  And think of the coaches that have worked their way through the ranks by being given a chance to perform well in a mismatch.  It does not take a win to get noticed.  At many places, “success” is broader than cutting down the nets in April.  There is no reason to change that now.

Finally, college basketball is different from college football in that the Big Dance allows everyone in.  The trade-off is that the regular season is downgraded.  You can be .500 after December, but still rally to win it all.  Look what UConn did last year.

But the other trade-off is that it is single-elimination.  Is it unfair that a team from a one-bid conference could lose its shot at the Big Dance by losing in the tournament?  Perhaps.  But it is equally “unfair” when a top 4 seed is upset in the first round and has to go home early.  A team with outstanding national championship potential is eliminated for one bad game.  A team with high hopes is eliminated.  That is the nature of the one-and-done tournament.  It might as well start a week early in the conference tournaments.  If the champion is being crowned by a tournament (rather than the college football model), there is only so much fairness that can be built in.  And it is very fair right now.

So, while Bilas deserves a lot of respect for presenting a logical argument, the Confidential believes that there is no reason to fix what is not broken.

Weekend Preview: February 18-19

As is always the case this time of year, there are a number of ACC games this weekend (February 18 & 19, 2012) in college basketball.

Saturday

At 1 p.m., Wake Forest travels to Miami.  Wake Forest’s season is slipping away, but Miami is just starting to get grounded.  The Hurricanes are 15-9.

In addition, Maryland travels to #22 Virginia.  At 15-10, Maryland does not have room to lose many more games.  Virginia is looking for its 20th victory.

But the big game at 1 p.m. is #20 Florida State at North Carolina State.  Both teams are looking for their 19th win.  And the Wolfpack will want to atone for the disappointing loss to Duke.

At 3 p.m., the disappointment bowl, with Georgia Tech traveling to Virginia Tech.  Both of these teams expected to be several wins better than they are.

At 4 p.m., #8 North Carolina hosts Clemson.  The Tar Heels are 22-4 on the season, but Clemson has surprised some teams this year.

Sunday

At 1p.m., #2 Syracuse travels to the always-challenging RAC to play Rutgers.  The Orange needs to continue taking care of business.

The other future ACC member, Pittsburgh, hosts South Florida at 7 p.m.  Pitt’s disappointing season continues.

The Sunday game of the week is #5 Duke at Boston College.  Like North Carolina, Duke is 22-4 on the season.

 

ACC Basketball Recap: February 16, 2012

February 16, 2012, was a great day of college basketball in the ACC.

First, #5 Duke rallied from a 20-point deficit to defeat North Carolina State, 78-73.  In fact, the Wolfpack led at the half by 16 points.  But Duke really outplayed North Carolina State down the stretch to prevent a big upset.  Seth Curry was the scoring leader for Duke with 26 points, while Austin Rivers added 16.  Lorenzo Brown led the Wolfpack, who dropped to 18-8 with the loss, with 19 points.  Duke improved to 22-4 with the win.

Second, #20 Florida State won in the final seconds again, defeating Virginia Tech, 48-47.  Once again, it was Michael Snaer providing the heroics with a 3-pointer with 2.6 seconds left.  Against Duke, Snaer did it as time expired.  Snaer and Ian Miller were the scoring leaders for Florida State with 9 and 11 points, respectively.  Erick Green led Virginia Tech, who dropped to 14-12 with the loss, with 18 points.  Florida State is now 18-7 on the season.

Third, on a less exciting note, Maryland defeated Boston College 81-65.  This one was never really in doubt as Maryland led by 14 at the half.  Ryan Anderson led the 8-18 Eagles with 22 points and 10 rebounds.  Terrell Stoglin led Maryland with 24 points.  With the win, Maryland improves to 15-10 overall and keeps its Big Dance dreams alive.

Finally, Pittsburgh’s woes continued as they suffered a 66-48 home loss to rival West Virginia.  This game was actually close at the half (26-25), but West Virginia pulled away in the second-half.  Pittsburgh drops to 15-12 overall and 4-10 in conference play.

 

Connecticut Newspaper: ACC Would Want UConn As Part of a 16-Team League

It’s pretty clear that conference realignment will never truly be done until Notre Dame is in a conference.  The Big 10 wants Notre Dame.  The ACC wants Notre Dame.  The Big XII wants Notre Dame.  The Big East… nevermind.  But it is not the least bit surprising that a Connecticut newspaper would suggest that the ACC would want UConn as part of a 16-team league along with Notre Dame.

Indeed, the Hartford Courant reported as follows:

Sources told The Courant recently that the ACC has a 16-team model in place with its first choices being Notre Dame and UConn, but with Notre Dame maintaining its independent position there is no rush to go to 16. If the ACC can’t convince Notre Dame, Rutgers could get the call with UConn, but sources say there is no rush there, either.

Really, this is not even news.  If Notre Dame called up the ACC and said it was ready to join, there is little doubt that UConn would be the choice.  They have a basketball pedigree that fits the ACC and more BCS bowl appearances than Rutgers.  Assuming Boston College was OK with the move, this would be a no brainer.

To be sure, the Confidential always hoped for a West Virginia-Notre Dame pairing.  That would fuse together the teams with Northeastern roots.  Notre Dame’s academic prowess would offset any concern about West Virginia.

But that ship has probably sailed.  And so UConn is the likely beneficiary if Notre Dame decides to join the ACC.

The amusing thing is that if Notre Dame joined the Big 10, it would likely be accompanied by Rutgers.  Rutgers as an institution fits in with the Big 10 model of a large public university with ample research and academic reputation.  It would provide a partner for Penn State.  So, depending on what Notre Dame does, that would impact who between Rutgers and UConn is saved.  As if Notre Dame didn’t need more reasons to stall.

In any event, the Confidential thinks it more likely the world will end in December 2012 than Notre Dame will join a conference.  So being the likely partner in a Notre Dame move is little consolation for the indefinite future.

The Confidential’s Basketball Top 30 for February 15, 2012

With over 300 teams in college basketball, the top 25 is just not enough anymore.  Here is the Confidential’s Top 30 for February 15, 2012:

  1. Syracuse (26-1).  Syracuse has gotten through a stretch of Georgetown, UConn, and Louisville.  A road trip to Rutgers is next.  Next up: @ Rutgers.
  2. Kentucky (25-1).  Kentucky is entrenched at Number 1 in the major polls.  Wins over Florida and Vandy last week did nothing to harm that perception.  Next up: Mississippi.
  3. Missouri (23-2).  A big win over Baylor keeps Missouri at the top of the Big XII.  They can take the foot off the gas a bit this week.  Next up: Oklahoma State.
  4. Michigan State (20-5).  Michigan State defeated Ohio State by a nice margin.  Tough game against Wisconsin next.  Next up: Wisconsin.
  5. Duke (21-4).  All of the sudden, Duke is back in the national picture.  All it took was a buzzer beater over North Carolina.  Next up: North Carolina State.
  6. Kansas (21-5).  A convincing win against Baylor on the road.  And then they followed that up with two more wins.  Next up: Texas Tech.
  7. Ohio State (22-4).  The Michigan State loss was tough.  But the Breslin Center is always a tough venue.  Next up: @ Michigan.
  8. North Carolina (21-4).  The Duke game was everything fans could have wanted, except the result.  The team took out their pain on Virginia.  Next up: @ Miami.
  9. Baylor (21-4).  Losing to Kansas and Missouri (again) makes this a very tough week.  But Baylor has yet to be upset.  Next up: Kansas State.
  10. Georgetown (19-5).  The Hoyas played an outstanding game against Syracuse, only to fall short in overtime.  This team is starting to come together.  Next up: @ Providence.
  11. Wisconsin (19-6).  The Badgers slide up several notches due to losses by other teams.  The win at Minnesota was nice.  Next up: @ Michigan State.
  12. Marquette (21-5).  Marquette rebounded from its loss to Notre Dame by defeating both DePaul and Cincinnati.  And that Notre Dame loss is looking better as the Irish are on fire.  Next up: @ Connecticut.
  13. Michigan (19-7).  Picked up two wins–at Nebraska and home to Illinois.  Rivarly game is next.  Next up: @ Ohio State.
  14. Indiana (19-6).  A nice win over fading Illinois last week.  The Hoosiers continue to stay relevant.  Next up: Northwestern.
  15. Louisville (20-6).  Don’t let that loss to Syracuse fool you–this team is going to give someone fits in the Big Dance.  Very good defensive team.  Next up: @ DePaul.
  16. UNLV (22-5).  UNLV got the needed win against San Diego State.  But then gave it up in a road loss to TCU.  Next up: @ New Mexico.
  17. San Diego State (20-4).  The loss to UNLV stings.  But at least it was a road game.  Next up: New Mexico.
  18. Florida (19-6).  Tough week for Florida, losing to both Kentucky and Tennessee.  The latter was the big surprise.  Next up: @ Alabama.
  19. Notre Dame (17-8).  The Irish keep winning.  First they knocked off West Virginia, then they returned home to defeat DePaul.  Next up: Rutgers.
  20. Florida State (17-7).  That loss @ Boston College was a head scratcher.  The Seminoles are losing to the bad teams.  Next up: Virginia Tech.
  21. Virginia (19-6).  Having to play North Carolina after an emotional loss was tough.  Losing at Clemson was a bad sign.  Next up: Maryland.
  22. Murray State (24-1).  The loss to Tennessee State was bound to happen.  Is Murray State an at-large team if they lose in their tournament?  Next up: @ Southeast Missouri State.
  23. Gonzaga (20-4).  Gonzaga got back into the hunt with a win over St. Mary’s.  A two-game road trip looms.  Next up: @ Santa Clara.
  24. St. Mary’s (22-2).  The loss to Gonzaga drops them a bit, but there is plenty of time to keep working on the resume.  Next up: Loyola Marymount.
  25. Wichita State (22-4).  The big win over Creighton by 21 points was impressive.  Next up: Missouri State.
  26. New Mexico (20-4).  This is the big week for New Mexico.  They have games against San Diego State and UNLV.  Next up: @ San Diego State.
  27. Temple (19-5).  The Owls have a bunch of good wins.  And now they are stringing together conference wins.  Next up: @ St. Bonaventure.
  28. North Carolina State (18-7).  The Wolfpack have a good record.  This week is a brutal 3 day stretch involving a game at Duke and hosting Florida State.  Next up: @ Duke.
  29. Virginia Commonwealth (22-6).  Before the narrow defeat at George Mason, the Rams had won 11 straight.  They deserve some slack here.  Next up: Northern Iowa.
  30. Creighton (22-5).  Creighton is reeling now, having lost three in a row.  On the brink of leaving the rankings.  Next up: @ Southern Illinois.

Tell us what you think.  Is anyone unfairly missing?  Anyone too high or too low?

Syracuse & Pitt to Join ACC in 2013?

Ever since the ACC announced that it was expanding to take Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the conventional wisdom was that the plan would not be completed for at least one year.  Indeed, both schools were obligated to stay for 27 months after providing notice of their intent to depart.  While West Virginia has made news by suing to get out of its obligation (which was recently settled), Syracuse and Pitt remain within the Big East.  However, it looks like there is a real possibility of the expansion being completed for the 2013 season.

Although Big East commissioner John Marinatto has previously said that the 27-month obligation would be adhered to, he changed his tune a bit recently: “”But given the strength and speed of our expansion efforts, I think our board might be open to a discussion about 2013.”  Indeed, the article noted that the conference will have 13 football playing members in the 2013 season.  So it is not like the Big East will need the two schools.

With the recent news regarding the ACC’s television deal, there is some financial benefit to getting the expansion completed in 2013, rather than 2014.  If reports are true, the television deal will add at least $1 million per school and perhaps more.  It will not kick in until the expansion is done.  But there is no real urgency.

So everyone will just have to remain patient for at least one more year.

Lacrosse is Back: Weekly Report 1, February 13, 2012

It’s hard to believe, but ACC lacrosse is already back.  There were three games played over the weekend.

Recap of Last Week:

Saturday, February 11, 2012

North Carolina got the season off to a winning start by defeating Penn State, 14-10.  Junior Davey Emala led the Tar Heels with five points, including four goals.

Duke also got the season off on a winning note by defeating Rutgers, 16-8.  Senior Robert Rotanz led the Blue Devils with four goals

Sunday, February 12, 2012

North Carolina defeated Mercer 20-7.  Freshmen Joey Sankey and Chad Tutton each scored three goals in the win over, Mercer, while Sankey led the team with 6 points.

Also, Syracuse and Maryland played a scrimmage on Sunday, which Syracuse won: 11-9.

Upcoming Games:

Saturday, February 18, 2012

Detroit @ North Carolina, 12:00 pm

Duke @ Notre Dame, 1:00 pm

Hartford @ Maryland, 1:00 pm

Virginia @ Drexel, 2:00 pm

 

Sunday, February 19, 2012

Albany @ Syracuse, 2:00 pm

 

Records:

North Carolina  2-0

Duke  1-0

Syracuse, Virginia, Maryland  0-0

 

The Confidential’s ACC Lacrosse Standings:

1.  North Carolina (2-0).  The season is young, but having the most wins has to count for something.  The Tar Heels get the nod.

2.  Duke (1-0).  Similarly, one win is better than zero wins.  Even if it is against Rutgers.

3.  Syracuse (0-0).  Well, they did beat Maryland in that scrimmage.

4.  Virginia (0-0).  Nothing to go on here to move them ahead of Syracuse or behind Maryland.

5.  Maryland (0-0).  Well, they did lose to Syracuse in that scrimmage.

ACC Basketball Rankings: February 13, 2012

This is particularly complex with Pitt and Syracuse not yet in the ACC, but it can still be done.  Here is how we view the ACC basketball schools as of February 13, 2012:

1Syracuse (25-1)  It took overtime for Syracuse to beat Georgetown, but the Orange pulled away from UConn.  Up next is their nemesis: Louisville.

2. Duke (21-4)  A buzzer beater is still a win.  Duke was able to beat North Carolina on the road and then handle Maryland at home.Looked dominant in wins over Wake Forest and Maryland.  Next up?  Duke and Virginia.

3. North Carolina (21-4)  The loss to Duke was a disappointment.  The Tar Heels rebounded nicely in a win against Virginia.

4. Florida State (17-7Florida State is handling the good teams.  Unfortunately, it has been Clemson and Boston College that tripped them up.

5. Virginia (19-5)  The loss to the Tar Heels was not unexpected.  A road trip to Clemson awaits.

6. North Carolina State (18-7)  North Carolina State is making a nice run at the Big Dance.  The problem is that its games this week are against Duke (away) and Florida State (home).

7.  Miami (15-8)  Miami followed up the Duke win with a win over Virginia Tech.  But Florida State was too much for the Hurricanes.

8. Maryland (14-10)  Maryland is running short on opportunities to get the wins.  This week is Boston College (home) and Virginia (away).  The .500 weeks are not getting it done.

9. Pittsburgh (15-11)  The win over Villanova has faded.  The Panthers followed that up with road losses to USF and Seton Hall.

10.  Clemson (12-12)  Clemson split the week again, losing to Maryland and crushing Wake Forest.

11.  Virginia Tech (14-11)  The conference games have destroyed this team.  They finally had some luck against Boston College with a last second-win.

12. Boston College (8-17)  The win over Florida State has to be worth sliding up a few slots.  And they almost nipped Virginia Tech on the road.

13. Wake Forest (11-14) Not only is Wake Forest losing, they are getting blown out.  That is not going to get it done.

14. Georgia Tech (9-15)  Georgia Tech continues to struggle.  This season will end in disappointment, unfortunately.

Agree?  Disagree?  Let us know!

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